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	<title>Comments on: The Big Five, er, Seven, er, Six</title>
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	<description>Drew McManus on the orchestra business</description>
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		<title>By: Drew McManus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew McManus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 14:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s important to rememebr here is that the economic downturn is impacting orchestras in very different ways. Fro example, I have clients that are actively engaged in growth cycles and although the economy has forced them to make some changes, it hasn&#039;t derailed their growth. 

Next, I&#039;m not certain who you are referring to with the phrase &quot;union delegates&quot; as orchestra musicians negotiate their respective master agreements directly. They can, and often do, receive support from local union offices or the Symphonic Services Division of the American Federation of Musicians. In other cases, they hire completely independent negotiators, legal counsel, and/or financial experts to assist in negotiations.  

Finally, comparing the financial and labor models of the auto industry to the orchestra business is about as productive as basing artistic programming strictly on the pop music business: Hannah Montana has as much to do with orchestras as the UAW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s important to rememebr here is that the economic downturn is impacting orchestras in very different ways. Fro example, I have clients that are actively engaged in growth cycles and although the economy has forced them to make some changes, it hasn&#8217;t derailed their growth. </p>
<p>Next, I&#8217;m not certain who you are referring to with the phrase &#8220;union delegates&#8221; as orchestra musicians negotiate their respective master agreements directly. They can, and often do, receive support from local union offices or the Symphonic Services Division of the American Federation of Musicians. In other cases, they hire completely independent negotiators, legal counsel, and/or financial experts to assist in negotiations.  </p>
<p>Finally, comparing the financial and labor models of the auto industry to the orchestra business is about as productive as basing artistic programming strictly on the pop music business: Hannah Montana has as much to do with orchestras as the UAW.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 13:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An Open Question:

While it may expose my bias, what is the case-rationale for ANY compensation increase in CBA&#039;s in light of current economic conditions?  Excepting most of the Big Five, how do union delegates handle and respond to demising resources faced, especially, in the Midwest industrial cities: Cleveland, Detroit, Indianapolis and the like?

My experiences are unions often believe it is the failure of management to increase earned and contributed revenues irrespective of extraneous market forces.  Is that generally the sentiment or are there other dimensions?

I know I am probably not the first to observe this, but isn&#039;t there something this industry should be observing with vehement attention to Detroit Big Three (Autos) and the UAW CBA&#039;s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An Open Question:</p>
<p>While it may expose my bias, what is the case-rationale for ANY compensation increase in CBA&#8217;s in light of current economic conditions?  Excepting most of the Big Five, how do union delegates handle and respond to demising resources faced, especially, in the Midwest industrial cities: Cleveland, Detroit, Indianapolis and the like?</p>
<p>My experiences are unions often believe it is the failure of management to increase earned and contributed revenues irrespective of extraneous market forces.  Is that generally the sentiment or are there other dimensions?</p>
<p>I know I am probably not the first to observe this, but isn&#8217;t there something this industry should be observing with vehement attention to Detroit Big Three (Autos) and the UAW CBA&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: Drew McManus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew McManus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 19:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s another well-worn discussion but for orchestras in this budget level, being responsible for $250,000+ in instrument expenses makes a large portion of that conversation moot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s another well-worn discussion but for orchestras in this budget level, being responsible for $250,000+ in instrument expenses makes a large portion of that conversation moot.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always thought it would be interesting to compare these base salaries to cost of living in each city.  My hunch would be that Cleveland would then move to the top of the heap because it&#039;s such a cheaper place to live then Boston or LA or San Fran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always thought it would be interesting to compare these base salaries to cost of living in each city.  My hunch would be that Cleveland would then move to the top of the heap because it&#8217;s such a cheaper place to live then Boston or LA or San Fran.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew McManus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew McManus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s certainly a well worn topic of discussion but it usually boils down to this: are improvements to employee compensation (musician and management) exceeding rates of inflation and costs of living to obscene degrees? Likewise, are those increases deserved?

Ultimately, the SFS board had to determine that any increases in expenses is something they can support or they wouldn&#039;t have agreed to the contract (at least, that&#039;s the theory but that&#039;s not always the practice - but that&#039;s a different conversation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s certainly a well worn topic of discussion but it usually boils down to this: are improvements to employee compensation (musician and management) exceeding rates of inflation and costs of living to obscene degrees? Likewise, are those increases deserved?</p>
<p>Ultimately, the SFS board had to determine that any increases in expenses is something they can support or they wouldn&#8217;t have agreed to the contract (at least, that&#8217;s the theory but that&#8217;s not always the practice &#8211; but that&#8217;s a different conversation).</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to compare this chart with a chart about revenue. Because, let&#039;s take San Francisco, for example. In seven seasons, the base pay increases nearly 35K. Multiply that by 100 musicians or so and you have a expense increase of 3.5M per season after the seventh season. I wonder if ticket sales or other revenue can, or traditionally have, made up for this expense increase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to compare this chart with a chart about revenue. Because, let&#8217;s take San Francisco, for example. In seven seasons, the base pay increases nearly 35K. Multiply that by 100 musicians or so and you have a expense increase of 3.5M per season after the seventh season. I wonder if ticket sales or other revenue can, or traditionally have, made up for this expense increase.</p>
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