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	<title>Comments on: Orchestral Acoustics 102: Orchestra vs. Hall</title>
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	<description>Drew McManus on the orchestra business</description>
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		<title>By: Hortense</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hortense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having lived in Vienna for years, I can&#039;t say I agree with the characterization of the Musikverein. Warm yes, but but not the easily overwhelmed jewel box that folks make it out to be. I heard several orchestras, including Minnesota and Berlin, simply not project enough to make an impact. Vienna&#039;s power is unmatched, and the strings really dig in. If this is &quot;aggressive&quot; playing, i&#039;d say it actually works better in the Musikverein than in other halls, since the long reverberation time smooths over the rough edges. How the audience perceives the sound is very different from on stage. Having heard NSO at Schermerhorn, the brass sound simply underpowered and tepid, or like they could &quot;force&quot; a lot more. In any large hall, an orchestra must work to project, or the effect will be underwhelming. The idea that you can just &quot;give the room a nudge&quot; might hold true for tuba, but no one else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having lived in Vienna for years, I can&#8217;t say I agree with the characterization of the Musikverein. Warm yes, but but not the easily overwhelmed jewel box that folks make it out to be. I heard several orchestras, including Minnesota and Berlin, simply not project enough to make an impact. Vienna&#8217;s power is unmatched, and the strings really dig in. If this is &#8220;aggressive&#8221; playing, i&#8217;d say it actually works better in the Musikverein than in other halls, since the long reverberation time smooths over the rough edges. How the audience perceives the sound is very different from on stage. Having heard NSO at Schermerhorn, the brass sound simply underpowered and tepid, or like they could &#8220;force&#8221; a lot more. In any large hall, an orchestra must work to project, or the effect will be underwhelming. The idea that you can just &#8220;give the room a nudge&#8221; might hold true for tuba, but no one else.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Blair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t know Zellerback, I did some digging and do know now that the new enhancement design includes the &quot;Constellation&quot; system by Meyer Sound. So that might be a good place to start with your inquiries. 

My company worked with the predecessor of this system (before the design was acquired by Meyer) at the Plaza Theater in El Paso, TX. My experience there was that the system, once it was electronically balanced in the room by the manufacturer, required further adjustment with orchestra to achieve the best results. Whether this fine tuning was done at Zellerback, I don&#039;t really know.

Thanks for the listening input on your seating locations in Disney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t know Zellerback, I did some digging and do know now that the new enhancement design includes the &#8220;Constellation&#8221; system by Meyer Sound. So that might be a good place to start with your inquiries. </p>
<p>My company worked with the predecessor of this system (before the design was acquired by Meyer) at the Plaza Theater in El Paso, TX. My experience there was that the system, once it was electronically balanced in the room by the manufacturer, required further adjustment with orchestra to achieve the best results. Whether this fine tuning was done at Zellerback, I don&#8217;t really know.</p>
<p>Thanks for the listening input on your seating locations in Disney.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Hirsch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Hirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, too bad - I need to find an acoustician who knows the hall.

I heard a program that included a Sibelius symphony and Salonen&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Wing on Wing&lt;/i&gt; from the Terrace, and I remember that amazing clarity of sound very well, also how audible everything was. The two sopranos in the Salonen sing from different locations in the hall and at one point, I heard their footsteps on the stairs quite clearly even though they were far away. So I guess you could say I did not hear an appreciable difference between the Terrace and Orchestra East. The only problem I heard in the hall was a very slight echo when I was in Orch. East and there was some bounce from the winds at the far side of the orchestra from me. However, it was minor compared to the amount of bounce when you&#039;re near the walls in the orchestra seating of War Memorial Opera House. That is pretty distracting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, too bad &#8211; I need to find an acoustician who knows the hall.</p>
<p>I heard a program that included a Sibelius symphony and Salonen&#8217;s <i>Wing on Wing</i> from the Terrace, and I remember that amazing clarity of sound very well, also how audible everything was. The two sopranos in the Salonen sing from different locations in the hall and at one point, I heard their footsteps on the stairs quite clearly even though they were far away. So I guess you could say I did not hear an appreciable difference between the Terrace and Orchestra East. The only problem I heard in the hall was a very slight echo when I was in Orch. East and there was some bounce from the winds at the far side of the orchestra from me. However, it was minor compared to the amount of bounce when you&#8217;re near the walls in the orchestra seating of War Memorial Opera House. That is pretty distracting.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Blair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Conductors have some responsibility in that area&quot;

Wonderful!! 

Getting carried away seems to be part of the conductor&#039;s job description in some quarters. However, watching Strauss conduct his pieces (not to mention his published admonitions to young conductors) gives a clue as to what is really necessary.

I have also sat in Orchestra East at Disney and I think these are among the best seats. What are your thoughts about the Terrace in comparison?

I am sorry to say that I am totally unfamiliar with Zellerback (and its enhancement system.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Conductors have some responsibility in that area&#8221;</p>
<p>Wonderful!! </p>
<p>Getting carried away seems to be part of the conductor&#8217;s job description in some quarters. However, watching Strauss conduct his pieces (not to mention his published admonitions to young conductors) gives a clue as to what is really necessary.</p>
<p>I have also sat in Orchestra East at Disney and I think these are among the best seats. What are your thoughts about the Terrace in comparison?</p>
<p>I am sorry to say that I am totally unfamiliar with Zellerback (and its enhancement system.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Hirsch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Hirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, yes, on the ideal sound of Arabella. Conductors also have some responsibility in that area.

I have sat in Disney in Orchestra East, which is on one of the long walls, and in the Terrace. I&#039;ve heard both chamber music and the orchestra from Orch. East, full orchestra only from the Terrace.

Any thoughts on Zellerbach?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, yes, on the ideal sound of Arabella. Conductors also have some responsibility in that area.</p>
<p>I have sat in Disney in Orchestra East, which is on one of the long walls, and in the Terrace. I&#8217;ve heard both chamber music and the orchestra from Orch. East, full orchestra only from the Terrace.</p>
<p>Any thoughts on Zellerbach?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Blair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lisa-

Arabella should always sound clear and balanced. Of course this becomes much easier to accomplish when the orchestra players faithfully execute Strauss&#039; finely-tuned dynamic markings. You might be surprised how many don&#039;t and get a little &quot;carried away&quot;.

I am curious: Where do you usually sit at Disney? Do you have a favorite section? I have sat in five different parts of the hall thus far (haven&#039;t tried the upper balcony yet) and the sound is very different at each location.

-Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lisa-</p>
<p>Arabella should always sound clear and balanced. Of course this becomes much easier to accomplish when the orchestra players faithfully execute Strauss&#8217; finely-tuned dynamic markings. You might be surprised how many don&#8217;t and get a little &#8220;carried away&#8221;.</p>
<p>I am curious: Where do you usually sit at Disney? Do you have a favorite section? I have sat in five different parts of the hall thus far (haven&#8217;t tried the upper balcony yet) and the sound is very different at each location.</p>
<p>-Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Hirsch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Hirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking of you about ten days ago when I heard the Berkeley Symphony Orchestra in the electronically-enhanced Zellerbach, which is highly problematic.

My limited experience of Dohnanyi (a magnificent performance of &lt;i&gt;Arabella&lt;/i&gt; at Covent Garden) is that his personal sound emphasizes clarity and balance, so I wonder how that interacted with Disney. My less limited experience of Disney is that it has considerable warmth as well as clarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking of you about ten days ago when I heard the Berkeley Symphony Orchestra in the electronically-enhanced Zellerbach, which is highly problematic.</p>
<p>My limited experience of Dohnanyi (a magnificent performance of <i>Arabella</i> at Covent Garden) is that his personal sound emphasizes clarity and balance, so I wonder how that interacted with Disney. My less limited experience of Disney is that it has considerable warmth as well as clarity.</p>
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